Stella Baker is the charismatic star of the new CW series, The Republic of Sarah. The show, which premiered 14 June, tells the story of rebel history teacher Sarah Cooper who, with the help of a longstanding loophole, persuades her community to establish independence from the country to become its own sovereign state. Simultaneous with the town’s secession, Sarah is unexpectedly established as the new nation’s leader and must maneuver the pitfalls of building a country and reestablishing the community from the ground up.
With an edge-of-your-seat storyline, The Republic of Sarah is a must-watch for the summer. Post seriespremiere, Stella spoke with Schön! about her successive self-realisations stemming from her portrayal, the predecessors who inspire her — and why she has no desire to run a country.
In the show, Sarah pretty much plots a grassroots overthrow of the power structure within her community. When you first read the script, how did you initially respond to Sarah’s mission?
When I first read the script, it all struck me as sort of outlandishly aspirational in a really wonderful way. I was compelled by the stubborn will of the character. She is strong and steady in her beliefs. She puts herself on the line to protect the people she loves, and that kind of integrity is so rare and so valuable. At the same time, she has a great facility to inspire and empower the people around her.
Are there any women in history — your own personal history or world history — that you drew inspiration from when bringing Sarah to life? What does Sarah (or did you) learn from them?
Sarah Cooper is a young, smart, punk, high school history teacher. While she does find herself taking on a much larger responsibility, at her core she is really just a history nerd who idolises revolutionaries. The creator of the show, Jeff King, makes references throughout the season to the historical figures that Sarah Cooper looks up to. One of those is Emma Goldman, who was an anarchist, feminist and political activist at the turn of the 20th century. I spent some time researching Emma Goldman and others of Sarah’s heroes to inform my performance. I also drew inspiration from some of the amazing teachers that I had who were so enthusiastic about what they were teaching, and so passionate about their students. A great teacher can spark a child’s interest in just about anything. I think that’s an invaluable talent.
full look. Yves Saint Laurent
full look. Yves Saint Laurent
Credits
I’ve interviewed actors who’ve cited challenges in separating themselves from the roles they portray. Given that this is a television series where you are consistently interlocked with the protagonist, are there any Sarah Cooper-isms that you’ve held on to, unwittingly or by choice?
The character I played is so devoted to helping the people around her. She is able to make sacrifices for others. She has no fear of voicing her opinion. I think that playing a lead role, who is, herself, such a strong leader, inspired me to take care of the people I was working with. I tried, to the best of my ability, to use my position on set to make sure crew members and cast members were heard. I don’t know if I would have been brave enough to speak up for myself and others professionally if I hadn’t been playing this role. Sarah definitely inspires me to be more courageous and front-footed. On the other hand, Sarah can be quite a control freak, and very didactic. I think…maybe… I accidentally absorbed some of that. Trying to shake that off now.
And how much of your own -isms did you infuse into Sarah Cooper?
The first thing that comes to mind is the way I gesticulate. I am very active with my hands, and I think some of that slipped into my performance. I don’t mind it.
In preparation for the role and your realisation of Sarah Cooper, how has your impression of the power of grassroots activism off-screen evolved?
I think I’ve always been of the mind that real change in society only ever happens through the people. All of the greatest advancements in history have come from a movement of a large group of people who are willing to risk everything for the sake of a better future. Sarah Cooper definitely has that same view of history, and the way she mobilises the town, empowers the younger generation, and is unwavering in what she believes in is emblematic of that perspective.
If you could start your own “Republic of Stella”, where would it be, and what would you name it?
I think it’s one thing to be involved in a revolution, to stand up for something, to put yourself on the line for something you care about. It’s another thing entirely to take on the responsibility of being in charge of a country and making decisions for other people. At this point I certainly do not have the expertise in governing, in history, in law, etc. that would be required to start my own “Republic of Stella.” I’d hope people would choose a leader who is better equipped than me!
full look. Yves Saint Laurent
full look. Yves Saint Laurent
Credits
Without giving too much away, is there any aspect of the storyline that you would have added to the plot had you been involved with the screenplay — or that you hope gets explored in future episodes/seasons?
I love how engaged the younger characters are in establishing and governing the country. There is so much to explore in further seasons as they grow and mature in an environment that empowers them from such an early age. I can’t wait to see how the writers develop those characters over time.
In 2017, you co-wrote and filmed Candace with Em Weinstein and several other Yale School of Drama Alums. How did that experience inspire your own trajectory as both a writer and actress?
Collaborating with friends is amazing because there’s an inherent trust that everyone involved knows what it is we are trying to make, and how to help one another get there. Em Weinstein definitely led the charge with Candace, and I’m so grateful I got be directed by them and got to act in scenes I had written with a friend and actor who I admire so much — Moses Ingram. At Yale, the vast majority of our training is theatre-based. Em, who was in the directing program there, and I were hungry for some film experience. So we just created the opportunity for ourselves to try to make a film. It was a great learning experience for me as an actor and writer, and luckily it led to more opportunities for everyone who was involved.
As a writer and actress, your creative expression can take life in so many varying ways. In what other ways do you aspire to share your talent with audiences in the future?
I would love to write and direct something of my own at some point. Aside from that, I love drawing and have been doing that for quite a while. I don’t aspire to share everything with an audience. Some things are just for me.
What’s the most recent work of art you’ve seen — film, literary, visual, etc. — that has inspired you?
Julie Mehretu’s exhibition at the Whitney Museum was the last thing I saw that completely blew my mind. I could spend hours looking at her paintings. I love the films that the Safdie brothers are making. They have such a compelling and unique tone. My friends Patrick Foley and Michael Breslin have done some really interesting live-stream theatre through the pandemic that has been fun to watch. They made a play called Circle Jerk that is chaotic, manic, and so refreshingly brave. I also love Olivia Rodrigo. Sue me.
dress. Brock Collection
socks. Hue
dress. Brock Collection
socks. Hue
Credits
The Republic of Sarah is currently airing on The CW.
Before the ink was even dry on the contract, Emily Bett Rickards set to work on becoming Mildred Burke. Transforming her body and shifting her mindset to the ring, Rickards started her research with Queen of the Ringby Jeff Leen. Using the book as a bible and basis to guide her, the research went beyond that, digging past the surface to find a woman who, not only helped pave the way to make female wrestling a viable and profitable sport for women in the 1940s and 50s, but powered through a world who told her ‘no’ at every turn. Continuously inspired by Burke, the more she found out about her, Bett Rickards was enticed and entranced by the wrestler’s passion. Something she tapped into for inspiration. Burke’s seemingly unquenchable tenacity, determination, and fire made her such an incredible character to portray.
From the depths of Starling City to the ring, Bett Rickards traded in Felicity Smoak’s keyboard for the ring. Putting her body through a strict regime to gain muscle quickly, she recollects to us the difficulty of it but cites how Mildred’s story made the pain worthwhile. As our chat continues, there’s a passion of her own that shines through, an enthusiasm to share the importance of a story like Mildred’s. Queen of the Ring is a film that, in today’s society, deserves to be put on a pedestal, not for fear of her story being forgotten, but for showing us what the strength of resilience in the face of adversity can do.
In conversation with Schön! Magazine, Emily Bett Rickards discusses Queen of the Ring, her relationship with the source material, how she physically prepared for the role, what she hopes the audience takes away from the film, and how history should remember Mildred Burke.
Can we talk about the research aspect of Queen of the Ring? How deep did you go? What was a fact about Mildred you found particularly fascinating?
What was awesome about Mildred is that even though we’re limited to the era, she was in the 30s, 40s, and 50s. Since she liked to be in the spotlight, there’s quite a bit of information on her.So that was very helpful [laughs]. There are a lot of photos. Luckily for me, she had the persona, the dream of being a show woman in a sense. What attracted me to her was this sort of aspiration that she had against all odds, right? She had never wrestled before and hadn’t seen much wrestling as a woman. She wasn’t even allowed at the shows. So, the fact that she had gone to one wrestling match and was like, “That’s what I want to do,” is just extraordinary.
It did feel like any time someone, or society was telling her she couldn’t, she transcribed that in her body as fuel. She was very good at pivoting and making something her own.The script was based on a book called Queen of the Ring:Sex, Muscles, and Diamonds by Jeff Leen. It’s fantastic. There’s so much more about her life in there, so that became my Bible. The internet has many wrong and good things, but it is definitely a lot to dive into. There are a lot of photos of her as a wrestler. Even more importantly for me, there were photos of her with her son, which seemed to show two different sides of her. A big part of the research was also putting on this muscle because her body was different than mine.That means she walked around the world differently than me. Finding out how that muscle influenced her spine and her navigation. Those things really became a part of her personality, I found.
Talking about the muscle, I was going to touch on the physicality of the role. What was the most challenging thing about getting into the ring for you and putting on that muscle? What did that transformation process look like?
Even before contracts were signed, I called my friend, Thomas Taylor, who’s out here in Vancouver and had been a trainer of mine for a while. I said, “Listen, I have to put on muscle.I have to put on muscle fast.” [laughs] We had three months before the camera. I think that was just over two months before wrestling rehearsals.I needed to do something pretty drastic. Tom also knew that I needed to be supplemented with nutrition. He brought on board Dr. Diego Botticelli, who framed out what type of food was needed to do that.It was more food than I’d ever eaten. It was more carbs than I’d ever eaten and more protein than I’d ever eaten. It was extreme.
It taught me a lot about how food builds the body, but food for longevity moving forward. It opened up my eyes. As a woman, I discovered what we need when we’re exercising and how we can have the foundation of our bodywork within the parameters of what we’re asking it to do. I think what was challenging off the bat was making sure I was getting into that routine.
The learning process of it, became second nature, but I really was weighing all my food, and trying to get more protein in a day was pretty hard because you can supplement with powders and stuff, but I do like to eat as many whole foods as possible. I think it’s a real honor to be able to have done this. We should all strive to be healthier and eat how our bodies want us to, but please keep in mind, that I was fueled by the passion to find out who this woman was, it made the process easier. As a side effect, I got to learn a lot. I hope that empowers people. I hope that if you’re looking at changing your life you fuel it with passion as opposed to feeling like it’s a chore because I think that’s the only way we move forward.
Emily wears
coat + gloves. MARGARET
opposite
Emily wears
top. KkCo
trousers. THEO
shoes. Jeffrey Campbell
bracelet. Christine Bukkehave
Emily wears
coat + gloves. MARGARET
opposite
Emily wears
top. KkCo
trousers. THEO
shoes. Jeffrey Campbell
bracelet. Christine Bukkehave
Credits
Mildred Burke was a trailblazer for the sport, and she broke boundaries for women. Why do you think a movie like this should exist in our current political climate?
It speaks for itself. There’s something about Mildred specifically in the story we tell that really focuses on bringing people together and making us stronger.When we start picking at each other, we’re only dividing ourselves. We’re not learning anything. We’re not growing as individuals, but we’re definitely not growing as humanity. There will always be a challenge or an evil to overcome. But the point is that we have to do it together, not divided. There’s so much division in the world. There’s so much violence. There’s so much tragedy happening that when we think about coming together, it feels impossible.
Mildred was a woman of her era. There were things she wanted to challenge, right? There were norms that weren’t allowed, and she challenged that. She’s like, “Well, if I can tell myself that I can do this, I have to be able to believe that you can do it too.”That is what was so cool about her. When you believe in yourself, you have to be able to believe in someone else as well. Cause you can’t just give yourself the right, you know? Maybe there’s something in there that we can learn today.I really do think there is, and I hope everybody can metabolize it in a way that puts it into action in their lives.
How would you say that Mildred’s story changed you as a person and as an actor?
There’s definitely something in her that propels me forward. If I have self doubt, she’s the voice that comes into my head now.She says, “No, get up. Like, let’s go. You can deal with this. Not only can you deal with this, but you can also make this into fuel.” She’s made me more of an understanding person. There are all these things that we talk about; self-love and self-forgiveness and self-care. Those things are hard, but they’re more important because not only when you give them to yourself, you’re immediately giving them to other people. It’s almost infectious, you know? I’m so grateful for that lesson.
Moving a bit away from the film for just a moment, I read an article by Comic Book Resources that the Arrowverse fandom prepared you for the passionate wrestling fans.Is there a particular fan interaction that sticks out to you in recent memory, whether it’s around this film or the Arrowverse?
I’ve talked to people about it, especially the Arrowverse, and they have ideas for a certain season that has passed, I’m always like, “That’s such a genius idea!” They’re always good ideas. So, I think that when you love something, you have the right to be passionate about it.I think you have the right to have opinions on it, for sure. There’s always a vice and virtue to the same thing. Your virtue is your vice. Be careful with who you divide outside of that, because I think the best part of being passionate about something is bringing somebody else in, right? That’s what I was welcomed into with wrestling. It’s also what I was welcomed into with comic books.
With wrestling, though, this was a world I knew nothing about. Now I feel like I’m indoctrinated in a way that is a part of my cellular being.I’m so grateful for that, because I do feel like it is a world of passion. I’ll have the chance to welcome somebody else into something I’m passionate about in the future in the same way.
You’re the second person from the Arrowverse to enter the ring with Stephen Amell’s role in Heels. Did he reach out to you, or did you reach out to him for advice?
[Emily shakes her head]
No?
Such a missed opportunity.
For sure.
I hope we get to talk about it in the future, now that the movie’s out.
I think you will. Between you and I, who do you think could complete the Salmon Ladder fastest?
[laughs] I don’t know what type of shape he’s in, but I was also never able to do the Salmon Ladder, so he’s got muscular memory that I don’t have. He has the upper hand, you know?
I mean, fair, but he’s also filming or was filming Suits: LA, so I think you could take him.
I could definitely take him. I just don’t know about taking him in the Salmon Ladder.
With the film all said and done, and out in the world, what’s the first thing you did once you finished filming?
I went for a run.
Really?
I went with my partner, who’s an ultramarathon runner. I wasn’t really prepared for that. The workout I had when preparing for Mildred, the recommendation was not to do any cardio at all.
Wow.
Because we were trying to build muscle that looked bigger, and the way I was eating was really to build muscle, not to sort of shed anything, in a sense.It just would have been too stressful on the body. We were trying to keep my stress at a minimum so the muscle would build. Nutrition’s so interesting because if your cortisol gets too high, then your hormones get out of whack, and if your hormones get out of whack, then everything does. Especially with women and our cycle, you want to be a little bit more delicate.
So, I went for a run, and my legs felt like concrete. My body was just tired and done, and I was pushing it literally uphill in the middle of summer in Canada. My body was done.I think I was pushing myself to do something I wasn’t necessarily listening to my body for. But I was so excited to be home. My partner and I live somewhere where the best part of the year is summer. It’s the most beautiful place to be in the summer. It was really about spending time with family and doing something that we do together. It was just a brutal reality that what I needed to do was just sit down and take a break.Even though I was doing something that I loved, but no, I had to take it easy for a few weeks.
What do you hope the audience takes away from the film?
I hope they feel impassioned. I feel like they really learn about Mildred, but they also learn that inspiration comes from everywhere. But it also comes from each other.And, you know, you asked that beautiful question about when the world is so divided, what are we doing? It just makes you think that our human existence is really to be with each other and learn from each other. And the platform I get to walk on and that we get to walk on today is because of people like Mildred. And so, carrying that torch, in a sense, and recognizing the privilege that we have of where we live, what we do, I guess, connection with other people, but also just making sure that we’re lifting each other up.
I love that answer.
I can’t see a better way to live life. I don’t think there’s another answer. Please show me. I think that’s our best way forward, to be honest. At some point we die, but I hope I get to hold your hand while we go through life.
How do you think history should remember Mildred Burke?
You know, I was thinking about her. We just did our premiere in LA, and it was our last American premiere. She died in her 70s on Valentine’s Day, and decades later, not only her story lives on, but her message lives on. It makes you realize you have a ripple effect, right? She really had a ripple effect, and it doesn’t need to be on some global scale, but your family who you interact with, your pets, like you have a ripple. I think that carries on decades after you die. She was a woman, she was a wrestler, and she was a person with a dream.But I think she would want to be remembered as a wrestler; that’s her bones, baby.
My last question, Emily, is what’s next for you?
I’m awaiting the next character that’ll kind of wake me up again, just like Mildred did. Something is prickling right now, but we’ll see if it lands.
Editor’s note: This review contains some spoilers.
François Ozon’s latest film When Autumn Falls is an unexpected thriller hinged on friendship and faltering family dynamics. At the heart of the film is Michelle (Hélène Vincent,) a sweet grandma who spends her days up keeping her rustic home and going for walks with her chain smoking best friend Marie-Claude (Josiane Balasko.) “I’m appalled at how rapidly older people are disappearing from view in society and on screens. I countered this by filming actresses in their seventies and eighties who wear their age proudly and accept it without artifice,” said director Ozon in a press interview.
Their loyal friendship began many years ago in Paris where they worked together. Their shared past follows them like a heavy grey cloud, even into old age. “We tend to sanctify and idealise older people, forgetting that they’ve lived complex lives. They were young once, they are sexual beings, they have subconscious thoughts and desires,” said Ozon. The delightful duo mirror each other when it comes to motherhood. They both question whether they have been good mothers as Marie-Claude’s son Vincent (Pierre Lottin) is finding his feet after a stint in prison and Michelle’s daughter Valérie (Ludivine Sagnier) has a fractured relationship with her mother, further threatened by an unfortunate series of events.
“When I was a child, one of my aunts organised a family meal where she cooked mushrooms she’d picked herself. That night everyone was very ill except for her because she hadn’t eaten any. I was fascinated by this incident and suspected my aunt – so kind and caring – of having wanted to poison the entire family,” said Ozon on the film’s conception. “When we cook wild mushrooms, are we not, more or less subconsciously, trying to get rid of someone? Starting with that question, I created a character who seems to be the epitome of a doting grandmother, but who might actually be a bit more sinister than outside appearances would suggest.”
Set in Burgundy, the French countryside becomes a character of its own throughout the film. The landscape’s cosy and autumnal colour palette fills the screen with maroon, amber and toasty browns. The tranquil rustling of trees and the tinkering of metal spoons on soup bowls evokes a warm homeliness that starkly contrasts the void in Michelle’s family life. Its frigidity is captured through isolating wooden door frames and ignored phone calls. As an audience, the camera’s frequent vertical sweeps remove you from the narrative at times, but equally serve as a reminder that we are merely a voyeuristic fly on the wall to each character’s choices.
Nature plays a transitional role in the film with the change of seasons signifying mortality and the lengths people will go to ensure they survive. Whether that be Marie-Claude’s son Vincent trying to stay out of prison or Michelle desperately trying to stay connected to her grandson Lucas (Garlan Erlos,) each character protects their own, and in doing so, exposes their deepest fractures.
The faults each character is willing to overlook and the secrets they decide to keep in the name of preserving familial ties, at its core, is the most human aspect of this film. Flawed humans doing whatever they can to evade emotional solitude, even if it costs them. A concept illustrated by a striking image of one character resting like a camouflaged fallen leaf on the forest floor. “I want the film to make us wonder what our own behaviour and reactions would be if someone close to us were suspected of committing an act we disapprove of, but for which we have no proof…How far would we go to protect them? These questions feel particularly relevant today, in light of the current political and social unrest,” said Ozon.
It seems that much like the tumbling autumn leaves, throughout the film women fall victim to the mistakes of men. Marie-Claude suffers her own health problems worrying about the misbehaviour of her son. “It’s like a punch in the gut. Her body keeps the score…she feels responsible for her son’s struggles,” said Ozon. The mistakes of Marie-Claude’s son bear little repercussion, only protection. In contrast, the women in When Autumn Falls cannot escape their errors. We come to learn that all that tension in the brisk autumn breeze stems from a family history riddled with shame, blame and guilt.
Through the lens of 2025, the villainisation that Michelle receives for her past feels out of place. Although, Ozon explained that “Michelle and Marie-Claude’s past is a pebble in their children’s shoes. Doing some research, I found that in general there are two types of reactions. Either the child defends the mother, seeing her as a victim who needs help now, to get healthcare, retirement. Or the child rejects the mother, disgusted and shocked by what she did.”
‘When Autumn Falls’ is showing in UK & Irish cinemas from 21st March
photography. Courtesy of Parkland Pictures
words. Shama Nasinde
full look. Brioni
boots. Brunello Cucinelli
opposite
t-shirt. Miu Miu
full look. Brioni
boots. Brunello Cucinelli
opposite
t-shirt. Miu Miu
Credits
A paradise full of sin, betrayal and power games… The White Lotus moves to the tropics of Thailand for its third season, once again revealing the deepest human weaknesses hidden behind a sumptuous vacation. In this seemingly idyllic world, who is truly innocent and who is tainted by sin? And the biggest question: Who is this season’s victim and who is this season’s killer? Mike White’s masterfully written story keeps this mystery until the very end. One of this season’s standouts is Arnas Fedaravicius, best known for The Last Kingdom. Fedaravičius, who plays Valentin in the series, appears as a yoga instructor, masseur and health mentor working at The White Lotus hotel.
Schön! speaks with Fedaravičius about the excitement of being part of a big production, how he got the offer for the role, the filming process in Thailand and how the third season will surprise viewers.
What was your first reaction when you found out you were cast in Season 3? Did you instantly say yes, or did you have to think about it for a moment?
That’s funny. I’d like to see someone who was like, “Hmm, am I gonna say yes to The White Lotus?” I think there wasn’t any doubt that, as soon as I heard the news, I was like, “No doubt, yes, I’m doing this.” It was hard to believe, too — like, it was really hard to believe this news because I had completely forgotten that I auditioned for it. I think nothing in life is kind of promised or secured, but I had this instant feeling that my life was about to change. Life is about to change because it’s just such a huge thing to be part of. So it was hard to believe, but also, there was this sensation of, like, “Wow, life is gonna change now.” Not that my life wasn’t great — I mean, by all accounts, I was living a great life — but it just added this little extra, like, spice.
jumper. Prada
opposite
jacket. Stone Island
jumper. Prada
opposite
jacket. Stone Island
Credits
How was the auditioning process? I assume it was a bit complicated? Maybe it was a bit crowded?
Well, my personal experience was that I just did a self-tape, as I’m sure most people around the world did. I think the actual auditioning was perhaps in Los Angeles, but at the time, I was in Paris. I was very lucky that I had my friends from a past show with me. Someone brought a tripod, somebody had some lights. We were in a hotel, and we were just trying out different ideas, different things. It’s really nice to do it with your friends because a lot of people hate self-tapes since you have to direct yourself, but I’ve now come to love them because you get to decide how you present yourself. We just did a variety of different, silly versions of takes and then sent them out. I didn’t have a callback, which I know some people did. I hadn’t met the director or the producers until I got to Thailand. I was very fortunate. I did one tape, and I got the job.
That must have been really surprising.
Yeah! That’s another thing that made me think, “Really? I got the job just like that?” There wasn’t a callback — they just gave me the job.
It must have boosted your confidence!
Exactly, yes. It was the best news.
What can you tell us about your character? How does he fit into the dynamics of The White Lotus this season? Without spoiling too much, of course, is he someone we should keep an eye on?
Oh, just like everyone on the show, everyone has their own secrets and surprises. You should stay alert. I think whenever you watch The White Lotus, that’s the theme for audiences — you have to stay alert because you never know who’s doing what and how. I play Valentin — he’s a yoga instructor, a masseur, and a health mentor who works for the hotel. He’s a Russian expat, which there are a lot of in Thailand. He loves having a great time. I think he really loves his job, and I think he’s pretty good at it, which is why he’s kept it. To be part of The White Lotus hotels, you have to be good at something. He’s a fun-loving guy and sometimes people like to spend more time with him because of his looks or his skills. And, well, fun stuff happens.
The show is also known for its dark humour and sharp social critique. How do you think Season 3 raises the stakes in that regard? Every season tackles different themes — did this one surprise you in any way?
Yeah, when I was reading it, I already thought, “This is so profound.” The moment I got all the scripts — because it’s rare to get the entire thing upfront — I thought it was very profound in exploring people’s religions, and their associations with religion. Then there are, obviously, some observations of the current zeitgeist, what’s happening in the world, the relationships between people of different faiths, different beliefs — perhaps even different political beliefs. There are really sharp moments where you’re like, “Wow, I can’t wait for audiences to see this.” I don’t know if you’ve seen it yourself yet, but even though only three episodes have come out, there are already certain jokes and moments that make you think, “Wait, this could have been written and shot two weeks ago!”
full look. Armani Exchange
opposite
full look. Prada
full look. Armani Exchange
opposite
full look. Prada
Credits
Exactly! Especially the conversations Michelle Monaghan, Carrie Coon, and Leslie Bibb have. I was going to say that! The part about Trump and politics — it’s quite recent, but they’re already discussing it. So it was really shocking, actually.
That’s why I think one of the fascinating things about Mike White is his ability to be so in tune with what’s going on in the world. I don’t know how, but I think he’s one of the most perceptive people I’ve ever met.
Was there a particular scene or storyline that surprised you when you first read the script? Like something that made you think, “Wow, we’re really going there?”
I don’t want to give away too much, but I’ll just say — stay alert. The twists and turns in the relationships — when I was reading the script, there were a lot of strong “wow” moments. Like, “Oh my God, I can’t believe this is happening!” or “I can’t believe they’re actually talking about this!” I think the big twists and turns really start happening in episodes 4 and 5. All of the storylines and all the different characters you’ve followed up until that point — you might have thought one thing, but in episodes 4, 5, and 6, your expectations will completely shift.
Filming on an island in Thailand must have been an experience in itself. How did the location influence the atmosphere on set? Did it feel like a real-life resort, or did it still feel like work?
Formally, it was work, but I had to keep reminding myself of that. Not because I was going out or anything, but you had to remind yourself, “Let’s not forget, we’re here for work.” We were living in insanely luxurious resorts. I keep getting emails from the Four Seasons now because I’m on their list, and every time, I just reminisce about the time we spent there. It just makes your job so much easier.
It’s funny because we were living in this luxurious hotel, I was playing a hotel worker, and all of us who played staff could just go talk to the actual hotel workers. The reality of it all blended with our experience on the show. I’m an absolute fan of Thailand. On my days off, I’d just hop on a motorcycle and cruise around the island. The weather was always perfect, and you were constantly taken care of to the point where you had to remind yourself, “This is temporary.” It’s easy — the human mind gets used to luxury so quickly. When something is hard, it’s harder to adapt. But when something is easy, by day 3, you’re like, “Where’s my turn-down service?”
And the cast is always an eclectic mix of established stars and fresh faces. So what was the energy like on set? Were there any co-stars you particularly connected with? Any fun or unexpected friendships that formed during filming?
I think the experience of what you mentioned — that there are established actors and actors who are still making their way up — makes it feel like a team sport. You get this assistance from these very well-established and good professional actors. Like myself, working with Michelle Monaghan, Carrie Coon, and Leslie Bibb — most of my scenes were with them. Just their presence and assistance — like being off-camera and giving you lines in different ways or helping you see the scenes in a completely new way — made it a constant team effort, and you constantly got to learn. I’ve been a fan of these actors from before. While being there, you just want to ask questions about what to expect, and how to approach this.
I remember we were in this Muay Thai gym — Jason Isaacs’ family was there as well. They were training, and I was sitting on the side of it, preparing, reading sides for a different job and asking him for advice. Or spending time with Walton Goggins, going out for dinner, and asking, “How do I approach this? What do I expect?” And just getting these nuggets of wisdom. And of course, you have these actors in the show that you see as such strong personalities — like, for example, Jon Gries’ character, Greg, where you’re like, “This motherfucker!” But then you meet him, and he’s the nicest, most pleasant man to be around. I think every single one has taught me something about myself and about human interactions—what to expect in this life.
And Mike White has such a unique approach to storytelling. What was it like collaborating with him? Did he give you any specific direction that stood out? He seems like someone who really trusts his actors—was that the case for you too?
I think the fear of coming into the job was like, “Oh my God, this is such a big show. I need to bring my A-game. I need to be super prepared.” You come in with this grandiose idea of how it should be or how you should play this scene. I remember I was a bit nervous. We did a couple of takes, and he just said, “See? Wait. More. More just… more you.” And that was kind of like, “Oh, that’s what this is about.”
You’re creating characters — some of them larger than life — but ultimately, they all come from within you. In the most Mike White fashion, he just grabs onto something like a channelling magician and throws it at you. I just needed to be more me and that was the focus and, because of that, you completely trust him. We’ve all seen the show, we know it works. So whatever comes out of his mouth, whatever he says, you just go, “Absolutely, yes.”
Then, as the show progresses, because you trust him so much, you feel more liberated to bring your ideas and try them out. Like, “Mike, do you think this would work?” and he’s open to it because to have a good idea, you might have to have 10 or 20 bad ideas. Among those ideas, sometimes he’d pick one and say, “That’s a great one — do that.” Or he’d tell you to try something different. It’s just this constant dance with Mike White — you’re dancing, but you never feel like you’re stepping on anyone’s toes.
I think that’s what makes it so unique and the part of that uniqueness also comes from the fact that it’s a whole team, but the whole team trusts one man’s vision.
He wrote it, he’s the showrunner, he’s the director. Sometimes I’m like, “Do you ever take a rest?” And he never looks tired. But the fact that it’s all from him just makes it easier in a way.
jumper. Dior
opposite
full look. Brunello Cucinelli
jumper. Dior
opposite
full look. Brunello Cucinelli
Credits
Also, from Season 2, Tanya, played by Jennifer Coolidge, became such an iconic figure. Do you think there’s a character in this season who embodies a similar larger-than-life presence? Maybe not in the same way as Tanya, of course, but someone who really steals the show? For example, I think for me, it’s Patrick Schwarzenegger’s character, Saxon. He’s making me nervous from the first episode! So I feel like, “What’s gonna happen?”
Yeah, that was my experience when I read the script! Like, “Oh my God, this guy has the craziest lines. He has the craziest things to say.” I think you’re right — everyone is uniquely themselves, and no one can be better than anyone else before or after. Tanya’s character kind of established the tone of the show, right? She helped develop it into what it is. For this season, I must say two characters stand out. Parker Posey, definitely — her character. And you’re right, I have to agree with you with Patrick. Every time he speaks, you’re like, “This motherfucker! I can’t believe he just said that!” And Parker, in her own way—when she’s this kind of dreamy, floaty person, and then suddenly she switches to reading a Thai menu perfectly, ordering effortlessly — it’s fantastic.
I think it’s just an amazing cast. It’s a huge cast, yet somehow, every single character is big but also grounded.
Yes! That’s exactly it. Somehow, even with such a large ensemble, everyone gets their moment. The way the show is written, every character feels like they belong there.
You’re widely known for The Last Kingdom. How did stepping into the world of The White Lotus challenge or surprise you as an actor? I think it’s such a different genre—was that part of the appeal for you?
Well, it was my dream for a long time to be in something that blends comedy with drama and thriller elements, so I was very excited. One of the first things that excited me was the fact that getting into my costume takes two minutes — as opposed to The Last Kingdom, where every day it was 30–40 minutes of people pulling you into leather suits and corsets, making you stiff. That was a massive change. Not being in the cold? I’ve been dreaming for a while of just putting on a little shirt and stepping into warm weather! I think, like any actor, I always knew I wanted to do a variety of things. It was just incredible to jump onto something this big — something I had been dreaming about. I’ve always wanted to be part of an HBO show ever since I saw The Sopranos, so it just feels amazing.
full look. Hugo Boss
opposite
full look. Prada
full look. Hugo Boss
opposite
full look. Prada
Credits
The White Lotus has a fan base that loves to theorize and dissect every detail. Have you come across any wild fan theories about Season 3 yet? And what’s next for you after this? Do you think fans will be able to predict what happens this season, or is it full of surprises like always?
Oh yeah, I’ve already seen some! Since episode 2, people have been saying, “That guy’s the killer! That girl’s the killer! He’s gonna do this, she’s gonna do that!” Even my friends have been messaging me like, “I know you’re involved in this or that!” And I’m like, “Guys, I’m just a health mentor!” But I promise — the ending is not what anyone expects. Mike White is just too good at controlling the audience’s expectations. You think you know where it’s going, but you never do.
As for myself, I have a movie coming out early next year with Jason Statham called Mutiny. Right now, I’m working on a new show here in Scotland. Just auditioning, preparing for the next thing, while also riding the wave of The White Lotus to see where it takes me. Getting to meet people, wonderful people like yourself, taking beautiful pictures for amazing magazines like your own, and just living life. Taking every experience in, learning from the best, having huge dreams, and moving forward.
I was also going to ask one more thing. I just saw it on the internet, maybe it’s not true, but I heard that the fourth season is going to be in Geneva, in Switzerland. Do you know anything about it?
As in The White Lotus?
Yeah.
Oh, I don’t know. I’ve heard that they were travelling already, looking for the next location. I heard someone mention Paris, and someone else mentioned Switzerland. It’s all just like the Mike White Show — it’s a mystery until it happens. Perhaps even us actors, we’ve been told different bits of information just to confuse the rest of the world until it actually happens. I could see that, though — a Swiss experience, maybe somewhere in the mountains. But I really don’t know.
It made me a bit confused, actually, because I was just checking for the fourth season’s location, and I ended up seeing all these different places.
Yeah, The White Lotus is really good at keeping secrets. They’re riding the wave very well. Even their social media presence — like their Instagram — is hilarious now.
shirt + shorts. Dolce & Gabbana
opposite
jumper. Polo Ralph Lauren
shirt + shorts. Dolce & Gabbana
opposite
jumper. Polo Ralph Lauren
